Electives for all Law Schools, DeLoggio

"Freedom of Choice" Data

Okay, you've read the intro page, and maybe you've looked at the formulas and assumptions. Now you want to see the complete list, showing seminar and clinical results for all law schools. And you're on the right page.

But wait! What's a seminar? What's a simulation class? Why do I care?

Non-Bar (or non-core) electives are courses that won't be on the bar exam. They may be about zoning or banking, religious freedom or health care. They usually come in "small" classes of 50 or fewer. There are four kinds of non-core courses listed in the ABA guide:

Elective classes: small classes, sometimes for less than maximum credit (e.g. 2 hours instead of 3), in which you will take an exam. These classes are usually anonymously graded, so the trouble-makers don't get penalized.

Seminars: small classes in which students write papers and make presentations in class instead of taking a final exam. These courses cannot be anonymously graded.

Simulations: classes like mock trial, moot court, and negotiation, in which you pretend to be lawyers and role-play with assigned problems. These courses also cannot be anonymously graded, and they usually have an assigned grade like other courses.

Clinicals and internships: These are much like internships in college; you're working in a law office of some kind. These courses cannot be anonymously graded, and are usually pass/fail courses.

Okay, now that we know what we're talking about, here's the data:

		Seminars		Simulations		Clinicals		Ratio of Courses per year to Students
School	Elective Seats	Seats	Filled	Seats	Filled	Seats	Filled	sim & clinical	seminars & lectures	total
Akron	2700	431	200	532	267	270	17	2.34	9.13	11.47
Alabama	2560	204	172	301	278	92	90	1.21	8.48	9.68
Albany	2200	638	415	183	183	100	100	0.58	5.80	6.38
American	4700	2351	1550	480	392	240	203	0.77	7.51	8.28
Appalachian	740	140	93	300	230	0	0	1.36	3.98	5.34
Arizona	2520	589	442	365	259	89	65	1.49	10.19	11.68
Arizona State	2540	480	374	284	260	82	69	0.92	7.59	8.51
Arkansas - Fay	2180	194	152	249	225	93	84	1.14	7.91	9.05
Arkansas - LR	2740	329	135	306	226	117	60	1.27	9.19	10.46
Ave Maria	1680	144	90	181	78	20	14	0.94	8.52	9.46
Baltimore	3960	608	354	987	339	76	45	1.63	6.98	8.61
Barry	2440	162	114	219	123	24	8	0.74	7.96	8.70
Baylor	2580	131	131	1154	1154	5	5	4.58	10.72	15.30
Berkeley	5200	507	333	400	328	151	148	0.90	9.33	10.23
Boston College	2420	483	334	766	653	138	116	1.69	5.44	7.13
Boston U.	2240	1101	876	302	288	170	166	0.84	5.96	6.80
Brigham Young	1520	834	506	549	426	189	137	2.31	7.38	9.69
Brooklyn	4760	1065	894	1002	766	316	298	1.32	5.85	7.18
Buffalo	4660	619	440	1439	1195	145	145	3.29	10.95	14.24
Cal Davis	1280	262	186	494	448	233	109	1.92	4.08	6.00
California Hastings	3740	823	605	956	815	353	269	1.58	5.52	7.10
California Los Angeles	3140	651	617	85	85	325	282	0.63	5.83	6.46
California Western	3920	563	426	1457	1115	102	52	2.83	8.15	10.99
Campbell	1760	357	258	113	113	12	7	0.57	9.62	10.19
Capital	3460	135	80	567	244	79	47	1.36	7.55	8.91
Cardozo	2820	755	507	469	403	114	113	0.81	4.97	5.78
Case Western	4380	250	142	777	687	132	109	1.98	10.09	12.07
Catholic	3760	598	270	345	172	137	74	0.77	7.00	7.77
Chapman	2220	238	179	160	134	70	65	0.64	6.79	7.43
Chicago	2320	1293	1018	162	123	120	120	0.71	9.10	9.81
Chicago-Kent	6160	480	264	722	232	230	215	1.33	9.27	10.60
Cincinnati	1740	435	319	294	224	0	0	1.11	8.18	9.28
City U of New York	1480	322	292	320	294	160	147	1.85	6.96	8.81
Cleveland	2500	135	62	194	96	90	59	0.57	5.33	5.91
Colorado	1840	276	219	288	261	181	105	1.42	6.41	7.83
Columbia	2680	2216	1731	691	673	181	181	1.01	5.66	6.67
Connecticut	2500	733	583	599	418	138	130	1.56	6.85	8.41
Cornell	1340	532	461	195	195	116	116	0.80	4.80	5.60
Creighton	2860	180	131	410	366	22	22	1.43	10.07	11.50
Dayton	1840	170	135	424	361	64	41	1.39	5.71	7.10
Denver	4900	209	103	465	132	151	151	0.69	5.72	6.41
DePaul	4260	378	240	479	50	119	116	0.72	5.60	6.32
Detroit	2400	160	84	360	219	62	33	0.96	5.84	6.81
District of Columbia	820	80	58	40	33	127	127	1.10	5.92	7.02
Drake	2060	86	86	255	222	86	81	1.08	6.81	7.90
Duke	2520	731	563	321	297	89	82	0.92	7.26	8.17
Duquesne	2520	293	199	333	152	42	36	1.00	7.50	8.50
Emory	2580	255	188	614	560	20	16	1.43	6.39	7.81
Florida	3240	561	508	555	525	524	221	1.48	5.21	6.69
Florida A & M	1280	128	59	160	107	130	73	1.31	6.37	7.68
Florida Coastal	2880	390	261	768	511	28	20	1.23	5.05	6.28
Florida Int'l	1320	105	62	68	49	16	14	0.40	6.72	7.12
Florida State	2400	631	401	779	644	58	58	1.67	6.06	7.74
Fordham	5440	2548	1100	813	384	380	217	1.15	7.72	8.87
Franklin Pierce	2740	265	148	430	405	166	129	1.99	10.05	12.04
George Mason	4420	525	177	255	137	225	53	0.96	9.89	10.85
George Washington	6520	496	205	944	222	156	151	1.00	6.40	7.40
Georgetown	7000	2799	1253	1125	558	299	290	1.05	7.23	8.28
Georgia	2940	363	269	389	312	348	329	1.52	6.81	8.33
Georgia State	2960	455	325	246	0	194	134	0.94	7.30	8.24
Golden Gate	4900	225	148	380	233	283	161	1.25	9.65	10.90
Gonzaga	2640	125	115	301	274	130	119	1.11	7.13	8.24
Hamline	4120	256	132	782	478	97	75	1.89	9.43	11.33
Harvard	3740	1782	1053	240	174	365	334	0.52	4.79	5.31
Hawaii	1600	407	379	129	119	40	32	0.85	10.09	10.93
Hofstra	2780	837	692	847	710	85	81	1.43	5.53	6.96
Houston	4920	382	247	622	387	106	97	1.01	7.35	8.36
Howard	1840	460	395	150	150	72	66	0.75	7.80	8.55
Idaho	660	450	222	265	189	184	94	2.33	5.75	8.08
Illinois	3880	313	235	1055	960	56	56	2.48	9.36	11.84
Indiana Bloomington	3160	356	313	203	174	81	81	0.65	8.03	8.68
Indiana Indianapolis	3800	238	114	325	232	74	55	0.72	7.28	7.99
Iowa	2120	340	307	397	356	84	76	1.11	5.68	6.79
J Marshall GA	1260	30	20	352	96	0	0	3.09	11.32	14.40
J Marshall IL	6540	1860	392	1498	761	120	84	1.65	8.57	10.22
Kansas	2780	220	192	256	230	86	81	1.00	8.77	9.77
Kentucky	1540	194	163	150	80	27	27	0.63	6.17	6.80
Lewis & Clark	3060	598	293	211	130	180	105	0.75	7.06	7.82
Louisiana State U	2260	240	173	546	441	0	0	1.25	5.72	6.97
Louisville	1860	378	222	243	168	0	0	0.94	8.67	9.62
Loyola Chicago	3420	613	349	717	397	117	84	1.44	6.95	8.39
Loyola Los Angeles	4360	497	243	752	438	160	119	1.00	5.33	6.33
Loyola New Orleans	1900	345	232	94	62	4	94	0.18	4.23	4.41
Maine	1400	200	147	167	156	40	39	1.14	8.79	9.93
Marquette	2680	390	339	544	527	0	0	1.11	6.27	7.38
Maryland	4780	704	472	985	761	402	318	2.52	9.95	12.47
Memphis	1520	192	151	140	126	82	72	0.86	6.66	7.53
Mercer	2680	225	177	856	745	8	3	3.42	11.48	14.90
Miami	3020	630	346	690	551	75	68	1.03	4.89	5.92
Michigan	2040	871	725	264	218	212	185	0.58	3.58	4.16
Michigan St.	4580	620	435	482	477	76	76	0.73	6.80	7.53
Minnesota	2880	827	797	322	301	270	260	1.11	6.93	8.04
Mississippi	1440	246	196	326	306	56	55	1.04	4.61	5.65
Mississippi College	1880	120	93	484	426	36	27	1.78	6.85	8.63
Missouri Columbia	2660	83	62	362	243	55	45	1.42	9.33	10.75
Missouri Kansas City	2140	229	183	422	332	75	68	1.46	6.95	8.40
Montana	700	237	237	122	122	22	16	0.95	6.16	7.11
Nebraska	1680	144	144	339	339	49	49	1.52	7.13	8.64
Nevada	3180	130	73	224	163	60	84	0.86	10.00	10.86
New England	2800	725	502	658	472	58	45	1.01	4.96	5.97
New Mexico	1040	409	341	87	85	96	78	0.77	6.06	6.83
New York Law School	3820	1046	773	115	80	61	51	0.19	5.20	5.39
New York University	4160	2036	1681	350	305	343	324	0.71	6.32	7.03
North Carolina	1920	541	541	1106	950	62	59	2.41	5.07	7.48
North Carolina Central	1640	190	151	226	202	265	219	1.77	6.61	8.38
North Dakota	1260	10	1	136	133	24	24	1.19	9.48	10.67
Northeastern	2680	118	110	328	282	106	105	1.05	6.76	7.81
Northern Ill.	1640	96	85	220	208	40	35	1.30	8.68	9.98
Northern Kentucky	1880	510	464	240	212	15	0	0.65	6.11	6.76
Northwestern	3260	1510	1099	476	411	222	206	1.32	9.02	10.34
Notre Dame	2420	729	595	194	189	134	95	0.90	8.65	9.55
Nova	4180	315	245	1360	1074	110	65	2.40	7.33	9.73
Ohio Northern	1920	108	91	88	82	45	30	0.64	9.75	10.39
Ohio State	2380	480	373	182	176	142	134	0.64	5.65	6.29
Oklahoma	2400	268	260	353	346	54	45	1.18	7.76	8.94
Oklahoma City	2340	163	149	256	235	20	1	0.60	5.44	6.04
Oregon	1240	610	404	224	196	150	121	1.07	5.32	6.39
Pace	3640	330	238	376	363	80	78	0.93	8.09	9.01
Pacific	2580	499	397	954	696	192	152	1.64	4.40	6.04
Penn State	3020	553	339	676	597	45	38	1.91	9.48	11.39
Pennsylvania	1820	700	690	303	262	166	163	0.88	4.72	5.60
Pepperdine	3560	520	382	1416	1290	44	45	3.14	8.77	11.91
Pittsburgh	3120	267	190	254	204	160	114	0.87	7.15	8.02
Quinnipiac	3100	180	128	417	364	88	82	1.21	7.88	9.10
Regent	2500	161	67	554	437	25	15	1.78	8.19	9.97
Richmond	2340	208	147	494	444	40	28	1.71	8.14	9.85
R Williams	1900	648	488	236	185	73	66	0.76	6.29	7.05
Rutgers Camden	4220	196	145	687	572	64	64	1.43	8.40	9.82
Rutgers Newark	1960	440	298	360	341	280	221	1.15	4.32	5.48
Saint Louis	2040	300	271	500	543	56	51	0.96	4.02	4.98
Samford	2140	255	155	379	360	0	0	1.06	6.71	7.77
San Diego	4580	655	556	449	401	214	197	0.94	7.38	8.32
San Francisco	2200	255	229	205	205	100	92	0.64	5.16	5.80
Santa Clara	4620	839	656	290	251	190	144	0.75	8.52	9.27
Seattle	4340	558	477	783	566	248	173	1.37	6.51	7.88
Seton	3280	1238	1004	1013	943	130	126	1.49	5.90	7.39
South Carolina	1940	290	166	320	310	57	51	0.74	4.38	5.12
South Dakota	1040	0	0	170	170	0	0	1.06	6.46	7.52
South Texas	3500	600	392	1078	1078	35	35	1.38	5.07	6.44
Southern	1320	115	90	192	115	125	81	1.01	4.56	5.56
Southern California	3140	344	233	441	261	104	101	1.29	8.28	9.57
Southern Ill.	2000	84	78	507	333	80	49	2.29	8.14	10.43
SMU	3160	400	325	291	255	256	256	1.01	6.58	7.59
Southwestern	3420	425	358	700	552	0	0	1.17	6.42	7.59
St. John's	3180	500	403	410	281	122	112	0.82	5.70	6.52
St. Mary's	2080	36	20	239	224	51	51	0.58	4.23	4.81
St. Thomas FL	3740	256	185	327	243	44	37	0.77	8.33	9.10
St. Thomas MN	2660	180	134	282	230	46	42	1.21	10.52	11.73
Stanford	2440	912	653	351	308	154	135	1.43	9.47	10.90
Stetson	2860	311	269	624	527	137	132	1.18	4.92	6.10
Suffolk	4920	1097	838	1329	1112	96	96	1.27	5.37	6.64
Syracuse	3340	198	71	680	533	110	96	1.61	7.22	8.83
Temple	5960	728	464	913	748	138	61	1.46	9.31	10.78
Tennessee	2880	86	74	458	428	74	63	1.76	9.79	11.54
Texas	5340	687	637	490	461	269	222	0.81	6.43	7.24
Texas Southern	2000	520	218	220	196	90	24	0.73	5.97	6.71
Texas Tech	2300	235	172	347	272	136	123	1.15	6.02	7.17
Tex. Wesleyan	2340	240	174	343	261	128	117	1.17	6.39	7.55
Thomas Cooley	8340	3444	2805	1934	1650	205	134	1.54	8.46	9.99
T. Jefferson	1620	480	476	260	237	30	24	0.65	4.74	5.40
Toledo	3200	0	0	340	271	171	81	1.73	10.85	12.58
Touro	2160	306	255	340	312	96	62	0.91	5.14	6.05
Tulane	4320	508	507	442	409	90	90	0.79	7.18	7.98
Tulsa	2920	180	130	539	462	72	79	1.49	7.54	9.03
Utah	1840	180	160	407	407	0	0	1.50	7.43	8.92
Valparaiso	2660	208	188	578	435	116	116	2.11	8.72	10.83
Vanderbilt	2440	224	208	232	219	75	75	0.72	6.24	6.96
Vermont	2480	457	335	359	292	46	43	1.09	7.94	9.03
Villanova	2540	299	251	313	283	65	64	0.74	5.59	6.33
Virginia	2320	2009	1619	1032	925	57	50	1.46	5.82	7.28
Wake Forest	2600	452	358	753	575	70	68	2.47	9.17	11.64
Washburn	1660	383	301	339	175	92	89	1.47	6.95	8.41
Washington	2340	105	105	170	165	85	83	0.67	6.42	7.09
Washington & Lee	1440	229	173	170	149	58	58	0.90	6.60	7.50
Washington University	2880	346	313	986	790	94	92	2.07	6.17	8.23
Wayne State	1940	319	285	309	282	56	42	0.77	4.75	5.51
West Virginia	1500	245	197	454	378	37	37	1.55	5.52	7.08
Western New England	3080	80	60	341	276	122	87	1.21	8.23	9.43
Western State	2240	290	263	386	369	30	29	1.32	8.06	9.38
Whittier	7840	360	318	0	0	96	53	0.16	13.42	13.58
Widener	5220	800	345	1006	837	106	71	1.56	8.43	9.99
Willamette	1840	267	204	200	161	32	24	0.77	7.02	7.80
William & Mary	3780	454	363	1134	1066	0	0	2.80	10.45	13.25
Wm Mitchell	4360	1006	820	1283	1164	201	178	2.00	7.22	9.22
Wisconsin	4500	1292	828	489	402	621	429	2.00	10.45	12.46
Wyoming	1080	30	25	218	215	64	55	1.89	7.45	9.34
Yale	1820	938	701	144	63	525	372	1.73	7.12	8.85
		Seminars		Simulations		Clinicals		Ratio of Courses per year to Students
School	Elective Seats	Seats	Filled	Seats	Filled	Seats	Filled	sim & clinical	seminars & lectures	total

But wait -- there's one more question we need to answer: what's a good number?

This is like baseball, not golf; large numbers are good, small numbers are bad. Since the numbers of seats published in the ABA book are per year, you want to see a high number; only half that number (more or less) will be available each semester.

For simulation seats,

a ratio of 2 means you can take one course per semester, but not necessarily the one you want.
a ratio of 3 means you can take one course per semester and probably get the one you want.
a ratio of 4 or more means you'll have plenty of courses to choose from, and can take more than one course per semester.

For elective seats and totals,

a ratio of 6 means you can take three courses per semester, but not necessarily the one you want, or two per semester with a moderate degree of choice.
a ratio of 8 means you can take three courses per semester and probably get the one you want.
a ratio of 10 or more means you'll have plenty of courses to choose from, and can take more than three courses per semester.

Only three a semester? That makes no sense!

Ah, you're forgetting those "Bar Exam" courses, that come in class sizes of over 50. Sooner or later you'll have to take taxes, wills, and criminal procedure.

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